New discovery for cure of Diabetes

[Mal Lady]

Did you all see the newscast about the latest type 2 diabetes cure? They take out the first 1 foot of the doedemum (sp) (first section of the intestines) and it immediately goes away. Or they put enough plastic tubing inside to cover the first foot and diabetes is gone!:eek: The said that the first foot is where the insulin goes nuts at and that when they eliminate it the diabetes immediately subsides. It has been proven when the do lapband surgery or gastric bypass. They said insurance companies would pay for this type of surgery.

Wouldn't that be wonderful for all those that take insulin by injestions. They would stop it cold and never have any complications from diabetes ever again.

Anyone seen that resport?

Sharon

[gitfiddle]

I saw it, Sharon, but I want to see a twenty-year study before I would give up part of my body. :suspicious: Of course, I'm fairly cynical.

[Mal Lady]

I saw it, Sharon, but I want to see a twenty-year study before I would give up part of my body. :suspicious: Of course, I'm fairly cynical.

Carol,

I agree with you totally. But, if it turns out to be true, it will be such a relief for all of those with diabetes to have an alternative solution to controlling diabetes and possibly a permanent fix. I lot of people have a portion of their colon taken out every day and lead perfectly normal lives. There is an example of that in my family.

Sharon

[petra65]

Having surgery to fix a problem that can be fixed by much less invasive means seems drastic to me. Once again, people looking for the easy fix rather than the source of the problem.

[Mal Lady]

Well, it does seem that the 1st foot of the colon is the problem. JMHO!!!! :D

Sharon

[LisaS]

did you have any links to the news stories or the studies for us to read? What do the researchers think is the mechanism of action here in the digestive tract?

is it just prevention of absorption of sugars from the gut? Seems like one could just not eat them and keep the intestine. Or is there some other mechanism being speculated as operating?

[Mal Lady]

It said that the glucose is absorbed in the first 1 foot of the intestine. When removed there was no spike in blood sugar thus, no need for insulin. Everybody had normal readings. I saw this on my opening page at Comcast headlines. Do not know where there would be a link. Maybe I will try and find it later.

Sharon

[gitfiddle]

Here is a Science Daily article that explains the concept.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080305113659.htm

[LisaS]

so it is the same as PP - PP = don't eat sugars, surgery=eat what you want you won't absorb it.

[Mal Lady]

I finally did find the fox news site:

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351215,00.html?sPage=fnc/health/diabetes (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351215,00.html?sPage=fnc/health/diabetes)

It is the original one I read, but, not the video.

Sharon

[Smug Puppies]

My MIL saw that story and has already gently suggested to my DH that 'weight loss surgery would cure his diabetes'. As you might imagine, that didn't go over too well. :razz:

I think the news is most interesting as perhaps a stepping stone to better understanding diabetes and searching for more effective lifestyle cures. (PP, anyone?)

[zip11777]

Has Dr. Mike given any reaction to this article?

[Mal Lady]

My MIL saw that story and has already gently suggested to my DH that 'weight loss surgery would cure his diabetes'. As you might imagine, that didn't go over too well. :razz:

I think the news is most interesting as perhaps a stepping stone to better understanding diabetes and searching for more effective lifestyle cures. (PP, anyone?)

My point exactly! It will be interesting to see where it goes in the future.

Sharon

[isisrose]

Personally, I just started PP because I now have type II diabetes and personally I'd rather change my way of eating than have part of my body removed. Already I am feeling better even just after a few days. I doubt I would be feeling better after just a few days of having part of my body removed. In fact I would probably not be feeling good period.

My BS has already dropped by 50 points and is now a waking sugar of 150. Yes I know that isn't great but I'm not taking meds. My doctor who (advised PP or Atkins) and is monitoring me is pleased with my results so far and tells me that as long as I continue I should be latent soon, though I will always have to watch it of course.

[Frank Hagan]

Personally, I just started PP because I now have type II diabetes and personally I'd rather change my way of eating than have part of my body removed. Already I am feeling better even just after a few days. I doubt I would be feeling better after just a few days of having part of my body removed. In fact I would probably not be feeling good period.

My BS has already dropped by 50 points and is now a waking sugar of 150. Yes I know that isn't great but I'm not taking meds. My doctor who (advised PP or Atkins) and is monitoring me is pleased with my results so far and tells me that as long as I continue I should be latent soon, though I will always have to watch it of course.

That's fantastic progress!

I'm pre-diabetic (metabolic syndrome, etc.) so I don't test daily. My long term A1c blood sugar did drop below 6, but I was stubbornly stuck still above 100 on my fasting blood sugar level after 3 weeks on PP. I test again on Tuesday for fasting blood sugar and A1c. I'm interested to see if my blood sugar gets down to 100 or not.

It sounds like you are responding very positively to the change, and you have got to love your doctor for trying this way first.

[isisrose]

That's fantastic progress!
I was stubbornly stuck still above 100 on my fasting blood sugar level after 3 weeks on PP. I test again on Tuesday for fasting blood sugar and A1c. I'm interested to see if my blood sugar gets down to 100 or not..

Is this not still good? What was it before PP? You have only been on PP for 3 weeks, give your body some time. I would say it is working very well and don't forget we all have different bodies.

Also, I have been doing a lot of working out to get my sugar down faster, as I didn't want to even begin the drugs. My doc told me if I could get it down at least 50 points in a week I could forgo them. So I considered that a challenge!

I do plan to continue the working out of course as I consider it all part of the plan, maybe a little less down the road but will still get it in most days (my plan is a minimum of 4 days a week though more like 6).

[Frank Hagan]

Is this not still good? What was it before PP? You have only been on PP for 3 weeks, give your body some time. I would say it is working very well and don't forget we all have different bodies.

Also, I have been doing a lot of working out to get my sugar down faster, as I didn't want to even begin the drugs. My doc told me if I could get it down at least 50 points in a week I could forgo them. So I considered that a challenge!

I do plan to continue the working out of course as I consider it all part of the plan, maybe a little less down the road but will still get it in most days (my plan is a minimum of 4 days a week though more like 6).

Sounds like you are doing great by staying on plan. In my case, my fasting blood sugar remained at about the same level ... 103 vs 105 ... but my doc isn't too concerned about that. My test next week will be after 4 months of strict adherence to the <30 grams carbs, so I'm expecting it to look better.

To drop 50 points in a week seems like extremely good progress to me. Heck, anything headed in the other direction is good. I guess it does take time for our bodies to adjust. After spending 53 years eating incorrectly I should have more patience!

[isisrose]

To drop 50 points in a week seems like extremely good progress to me. Heck, anything headed in the other direction is good. I guess it does take time for our bodies to adjust. After spending 53 years eating incorrectly I should have more patience!

Personally, I think this was from the drastic changes and I don't expect that to continue, nor do I need it to. 50 more points and I'm at a fasting of 100 and I would be happy with that. Lower would be good but 100 is good enough, if that is as low as I get without drugs. I've also been doing about an hour a day of aerobics (that wasn't too hard as I had been doing at least 45 minutes a day for years--but with no results until the diet change). I also did a 24 hour fast before starting plan and I believe that may have been a bit of a help in getting sugars lower. I forced my body to use some stores--at least that is what I theorize (I could be wrong).

My doc limited me to 20 grams ECC a day or less for the first few weeks, pretty much all from veggie (except the trace in other things). Absolutely no fruit (not even berries) for a bit because of fructose but I will get to add them back.

[Frank Hagan]

I guess the advancement in knowledge is good (that the first part of the intestine absorbs the sugar), but I wonder if cutting it out is the right way to go. We are wonderfully made, and we often find out that something we think will work just doesn't. Could the body react by increasing "sugar acceptance cells" (for lack of a better term) farther down? Are there other dangers lurking in the small intestine once it sees sugars farther on for the very first time? How will those cells react?

I guess if a LC diet didn't work, I would want to try it if I was diabetic and unable to be in control with insulin. But I would think this would be a last (very last) resort.

[maxlharris]

While fasting is a number you can measure at home, it can swing wildly through the day, in response to stimulus. Obviously an HbA1c drops is a lot more meaningful (along with a GTT to make sure it's not a good A1c count despite reactive hypoglycaemia).

[Frank Hagan]

While fasting is a number you can measure at home, it can swing wildly through the day, in response to stimulus. Obviously an HbA1c drops is a lot more meaningful (along with a GTT to make sure it's not a good A1c count despite reactive hypoglycaemia).

Interesting that you mention hypoglycemia ... I did have a GTT 30-some years ago and was diagnosed with low blood sugar. My teen diet was a disaster, and I did clean it up a bit after that, but then life intervened ...

[mcsblues]

While fasting is a number you can measure at home, it can swing wildly through the day, in response to stimulus. Obviously an HbA1c drops is a lot more meaningful (along with a GTT to make sure it's not a good A1c count despite reactive hypoglycaemia).

A standard (2 hour) GTT is useless for diagnosis of reactive hypoglycaemia. A longer version - (up to 6 hours) can, but is very rarely used these days as it is known to produce false positives (I forget the numbers, but a percentage of "normal" subjects experience hypoglycaemia under that sort of stress). Also, for a diabetic - especially a low carbing diabetic the stress of regular GTTs (especially as carb loading for 2 or three days prior is generally recommended) is pointless and in fact hugely counter productive.

If you are concerned about hypos the best solution is home testing - which you should be doing anyway in the early days post diagnosis or adapting to a low carb diet managed strategy. So, in addition to the fasting, pre and post meal numbers you are already taking. a quick test at the first sign of symptoms will reveal whether it is a true low (and will also show that a carb snack will cure the symptoms and the number at the same time). But remember, the vast majority of lows for diabetics are caused by (over) medication - not something you need to worry about! And many non diabetic reactive hypoglycaemics are also 'cured' by following the low carb path.:)