Ottawa?? You mentioned your wife and accupuncture...

[Missy]

can you tell me more about it?

This is an area of interest to me, but I haven't been brave enough to explore it for myself...nor do I know if I want to spend the money....:rolleyes:

I'd greatly appreciate hearing about her experience with it. OR anyone else's.

Thanks.

[Ottawa]

Missy,
My wife has had chronic back pain for the past 5-6 years. She has been to a half dozen specialists and most have agreed that it is caused by ligament problems as well as a slight difference in leg length.

The worst one she went to was a nice guy that toned her body with vibration/movement. The next worst was one that will have a machine in 2007 but until then continue with manipulations. The most horrific was another good guy that gave her 10 local annisthetic needles in a circle around her lower back. These were followed by "horse" needles of dextrose to increase white blood cell production in that area to rebuild and strengthen her tendons and ligaments.

We finally heard of this traditional accupuncurist that only takes current client referrals. You are in a room with up to 10 others. You bring $25.00 cash, your own sheet and your own needles (first set free and new set every few months for $13.00).
He told her that within four weeks her hair would be thicker and darker, her skin softer and her complexion better. The back pain would take up to 3 months to be reduced.

I don't know how it works but everything he said came true but we are just 10 weeks in. I don't know how hair could darken since it is dead cells but everyone has noticed it and how it seems thicker as well (could be the darker color). Her back pain is diminished and she sees a chiropractor that works with a Pilates instructor to strengthen her core.

The Accupuncturist treats people from as far away as Boston and Winnipeg. Some come from Toronto (5 hours each way) every second week. The room is a cacaphony of low noise in the morning until someone says "He's here!" and everyone goes to there bed and lays down and the room goes quiet except for his notes/comments which the whole room hears. The patients treat him like a God. Most of them are cancer patients but he has treated everything from infertility to those who have been wheel chair bound for 17 years. This last person now walks and comes in a few times a week to help answer his phone for free.

It sounds to good to be true and I often wonder if some of it (cures) is not psychosymatic, yet how would that change hair color or correct vision problems caused by glaucoma? He also makes this broth from Sea Lord Mollusks(?) that his wife boils for hours for $10.00 plus the cost of these shellfish, so it does not seem to be a money game. The broth contains a mild toxin that seems to offer releif to many of his cancer patients and is administered only 2 or three times a year and tastes pretty bad.

Sorry to go on about him but everyone that I know personnally that has been to see him just goes on and on. A friend of ours with glaucoma could not get in as often as she needed and he taught her husband how to do teh basic punctures on each finger to release a drop of blood from each side of each finger. This should not do anything to reduce blood pressure (the main cause of the sight impairment) yet she sees clearly for up to two hours afterwards. As well four women from church that could not conceive have been to him over this issue and all have concieved. He says that he is the "grandfather" of 48 babies.:confused:

Hard to believe, and I have never been for a treatment but from the stories that I hear and the 5 people that I know who have been to him they all consider him a miracle in their lives.

Other things that he has my wife do ...

Eat very little oils. Get your oils and fats from meats, preferrably chicken and pork, the moving parts.
Bath in honey and Epson Salts. (6 TBs. Honey in One cup of Epson Salts) Although you just put this in the bath tub, my wife rubs it on and then gets in. She is definitely softer.:D
Eat broth soups often (chicken with some rice).
Never eat raw garlic.
No Cheese.
No 2 for 1 (pizza):D
Almost no dairy, use goat milk instead.
He won't take patients that bite their nails or smoke heavily.

I am not a doctor, but I value first hand experiences more than I would most doctor's advice. The few that I know who have been for these treatements all praise this man yet he keeps no charts and does not know most of their names. He is so in demand that most people show up an hour early to claim a bed.

[Missy]

Oh my goodness Ottawa...how interesting!!!!!! Well, he'd reject me then...I'm a nail biter...:rolleyes: But, I'm working on that!

I wonder why he won't treat a nail biter?

It could be psychosymatic...but? so what...lol Like you said, if you truely notice things that he says then it's not just psychosymatic!

I've just recently began treatments with a chiropractor the my girlfriend works for. I was going to one connected with my good Dr's office...at three times the price...and he's a kenesiologist (I'm not spelling it right) and I'm not familiar with that and muscle testing...so? I opted for the less expensive chiro that just adjusts.

Have you ever had muscle testing? That's curious practice...but? I wonder if it's hokey too? lol

My Dr's office recommended a accupuncturist that's local that's a chinese woman...and it's $100 a session. :rolleyes: I might give it a try someday, when I hit the lottery. I'm just so darn gulliable. But..I don't want to MISS OUT either!

I'd like for you to keep me informed about her experience, if you wish too.

[LisaS]

It could be psychosymatic...but? so what...lol Like you said, if you truely notice things that he says then it's not just psychosymatic!


sorry, that doesn't track. psychosomatic doesn't mean "not real" - it means something more like caused by the mind rather than the treatment itself. so any of these real effects could still be psychosomatic.

[Ottawa]

I will keep you informed on this and thanks Lisa for defining psychosymatic. We tend to think of it as unreal yet there is an effect. WHen I think of how some people in constant pain can be distracted by humour or joy, the pain has not gone but their awareness of it has lessened.

Re: The Accupunturist:
Initially I was concerned at the $25.00 x 3/week plus needles and travel but it has made quite a difference in her and it's part of the reason I stopped using my PayPal account for anything but a few LC cooking things.:rolleyes: A session is an hour with position and needles change halfway through so it seems like great value.

"He" says that the fingers are the extremities and have a large effect on teh body's energy. Biting fingernails down to the skin negates some of his work. He came in last week and asked so that the whole room heard "Who ate raw garlic today?"

Much of what he does I do not understand and it is possibly just how he speaks, like "Eat chicken, mainly the moving parts."

One thing that bothers some people who do not go back is that everything is done openly and there is no privacy. Even when he talks to my wife about her progress he notes that she is "recovering faster than many but still eating too much dairy", and everyone hears it.

[LisaS]

i guess strictly speaking you would call it placebo effect if symptoms improve (still can be a real effect) and reserve psychosomatic for things caused or confounded by the mind. but I knew what you meant.

[Missy]

lol...oh my goodness Ottawa....announcing who ate raw garlic! :redface: I can see how it would make someone uncomfortable....but I think I'd be more curious and I'd endure it for the adventure.

I'm glad it's working well for you wife. :) When he announces things like that, I can see how it may make one more ACCOUNTABLE!!! :eek:

I better make a new committment to get over my nail biting...I've done it off and on as a kid...with managing to overcoming it by shear will power for lengths at a time as an adult. I did it last year for more then a year. It's amazing how much better you feel about your self...but, it doesn't take much to trip that hand to mouth habit either.

Have you ever heard of cupping?

[Ottawa]

"Have you ever heard of cupping?"

Sorry. Cutting, forking, spooning, etc., but no cupping.:D

I did look it up though and found ...

Fire cupping is a method of applying acupressure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupressure) by creating a vacuum next to the patient's skin. In traditional Chinese medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine) (TCM) it involves placing glass, plastic, or bamboo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo) cups on the skin with a vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum). The therapy is used to relieve what is called "stagnation" in TCM terms, and is used in the treatment of respiratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiration_%28physiology%29) diseases such as the common cold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold), pneumonia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonia), and bronchitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronchitis). Cupping is also used to treat back, neck, shoulder, and other musculoskeletal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musculoskeletal) pain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain). Its advocates claim it has other applications as well. This technique, in varying forms, has also been found in the folk medicine of Vietnam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam), the Balkans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans) and modern Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece), among other places.

I think I'll wait another 20 years before trying some of these.

[Relief]

I've done quite a bit of acupuncture--for back pain and hormonal balancing and I would go back in a heart beat--if I could find the right practitioner. The one I loved was a tiny chinese woman who had practiced in Beijing for many years before coming to the U.S. with her husband. She did extensive cupping and it was wonderful. When I asked her what it was for, she said( imagine a very thick chinese accent): "it take all the stuck energy and it suck it to move" :D

The energy sysmtems which are adressed by practices like acupunctue ( and chiropractic for that matter) are "real" not " just in your head" there is a marvelous book called "Molecules of Emotion" which illuminates modern western medicine's findings which dovetail with and find the mecahnisim behind the methods philosophies that traditional healing systems have been proposing for thousands of years ( and which our western doctors have been dismissing as quackery for a long time and only now are beginning to acknowledge as valid) Anyway, the book is fascinating

[Ottawa]

( imagine a very thick chinese accent): "it take all the stuck energy and it suck it to move"

I eat protein and only little carbs. It take all the stuck parts and suck it to move too!

Sorry, Relief ... it just sounded too funny and I had to jump in. Laura waited until her third visit to ask what some of the NO fodd items were. SHe just couldn't figure out the "No 2 for 1" until she asked some of the other patients and realized that he calls all Pizza "2 for 1", a small Pizza franchise you see in many Canadian cities like Pizza, Pizza.

[Missy]

Thanks for relating your experiences Relief. I'm very curious about these traditional healing alternative treatments....yet skeptical too. I will check out that book you suggested sometime in the future. I like to read up and hear about these things.

Ottawa, in your link, I scrolled down to see the photo slide show...:eek: looks sorta painful...but, kinda fun too! lol Relief, do you recall? Did it hurt? Did the suction markings last long? Did you feel relief? Did you get unstuck!? lol

Darn it all...I wish I had all the money in the world to experiment with these things!!!! lol

[mara]

Dear Ottawa,
I am from Ottawa as well could you please give me the addres of that person i mean for the accupunture.The way you describe him he seems to be what I need .I was looking for someone who is spesialized in infertility.

(administrator note: personal email deleted from public post)

[Ottawa]

I'll post it here and save ppping into email.

His name is Dr. Tran (administrator note: balance of specific contact information deleted from public post. Please contact the original poster by private message or email for this information.)

I know a few men who go for fertility as well.
One quoted him from last week, "We will have them swimming again soon."

I know that it sounds a little corny to a Western mind, but of teh people I know that have been to him, they have all had their lives improved and $25.00/session is extremely reasonable (although it does add up at 3 x week for 3 months). The only hard part for some is the fact that you are in a room on a table and there are many other patients on several other tables in the same room.
My wife was apprehensive about the "no privacy thing" but considers many other patients her friends now, and they share each others treatment info, etc..

Hope this helps.

[mara]

But Ottawa do you have his number or address I cant find him like this?
I need a phone and number of street . LOL

[Ottawa]

Here it is ...
(administrator note: please contact this poster via private message or email to share this doctor's contact information. Posting it on the public boards is not appropriate.)

[hawk]

Ottawa.. have you looked up the book on Amazon
Pain Free>>>> It is the best book in the world for back pain and worked for me when nothing else did. It is not really an excersize book.. more of a body realignment book.
Pain Free
Pete Egoscue
a revolutionalry method for stopping chronic pain.
copyright 1998
library of congress# 97-31745
isbn 0-553-37988-7

This book is extraordiary... Also he has one .... Pain Free at Your PC

[Ottawa]

Thanks Lyne.

I'll check it out. I order from Amazon every few months and go for the $39.00 free shipping.

I have the DVD "Duets" and the book "Master Cleanser" in my shopping cart but needed something else to qualify for the shipping and that should do it.

Although she does not complain a lot, there have been a few times I wake up and she is in extreme pain. She is not very direct with doctors and has a fear of surgery although everyone in the medical community has said that surgery would not fix this. Her own doctor has even suggested she wait a few years until she is trained and breings in a new back machine.:eek:

It has changed our relationship a bit as well in that I like to do lots of things (except walk in the cold) and she is becomming limited in most things but walking.
Thanks for the tip and I'll order it today although she has many books on back pain and treatment.
The accupuncture has helped in several ways but her back problem still remains. I believe that part of the problem is her sensitivity to pain but also that it is caused by ligaments and tendons which need to be strenthened (grow stronger).

[mara]

Ottawa can you tell me if docotr Tran treats at othe locations too?

[Ottawa]

He treats only in Ottawa. His son Phillip treats in Toronto Wednesday to Saturday.
Since you are located in Ottawa, you might want to check up a Traditional Accupuncurist in your area of the city, but he is the highest recommended one here with weekly patients from Boston, New York, Toronto and out West.
Several patients do not like the style he has of many people being treated in the same room at the same time and having to give symptoms in front of a room full of other patients. My wife found it awkward teh first few visits until she got to know some of the regulars. She has 6 weeks left and then a three month break again.

[duster1]

Ottawa, for the past couple of days, I have been trying to contact Dr. tran at the phone number you listed, but no one is answering the phone, and he also does not have voice mail.

Can you tell me if your wife is still seeing him? It just seems funny that no one answers the phone. I wonder if he is still practising. Thanks

[Ottawa]

Sorry ... I cannot find a new number and advanced searches using Canada411 do not work either. He is still practicing and you may want to go by the office Monday to Friday.
My wife just finished her last series a few weeks ago so he is still there.

[charallatan]

Administrator Edit: it seems this acupuncturist is having some income tax difficulties in Ottawa:

Ottawa Acupuncturist Fined $250,000 for Tax Evasion

link to story:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Canada-Revenue-Agency-955077.html

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[Gaelen]

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