The 6 Week Cure for the Middle-Age Middle - discuss!

[nova202]

Interesting study on D-Ribose.
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijnw/vol5n1/dribose.xml

[Ernie]

Originally Posted by S Bear

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I haven't found biolelectrical impedence scales to be very reliable for anything except telling your weight. They certainly don't work even for something as simple as body fat% unless you make sure your hydration levels remains constant and your skin moisture doesn't vary, so I'm skeptical that they can tell you muscle weight or visceral fat.

But it sounds as if you are losing weight and probably losing fat (losing muscle on this diet is unlikely) so good for you!

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All two of them? Or did I miss some?

That's how I found my last body fat scale to be. It was just all over the place and never made any sense. But this one is really consistant. I find it a useful tool anyway.

As far as the measurements go I guess I was just too lazy to do it.

[Desmondo]

When I bought my first Body Fat Monitor some years ago, I recorded a series of BF and H2O %'s. I found that I reached minimum BF% and maximum H2O% around 1900 in the evening. My maximum H2O was at 56% and I found from a graphical display, a linear relation between them. Thereafter, I "normalised" each BF% and H2O% to a standard H2O% of 56%. This gave me a way of tracking BF% on a consistent basis.

A more trenchant criticism of the in-built monitor equations is the assumption that BF%'s are age related rather than health related. I understand why many commenters use the Navy Equations for LBM (lean body mass) estimates. I do so myself. In fact, I use the Navy results to choose the "age" that I use in my newer Monitor.

However, these type of analyses raise the issue of how reliable the visceral fat numbers may be.

[artsdesireincanada]

Originally Posted by Albina

My protein powder is Now Whey Protein Isolate (no flavoring) - 1 scoop contains 25g protein and 1g carb - I get it online (iHerb), I imagine they also ship to Canada??

I have found a company online that is from Canada, they have all kinds of Whey protien powder with zero carbs!!!!!! Including Chocolate!!!!!
they are
endurancenutrition.com.
I phoned them yesterday, having ordered on the weekend, and they had already shipped to them. The staff was helpful and friendly! Give a try.

[S Bear]

Originally Posted by Ernie

That's how I found my last body fat scale to be. It was just all over the place and never made any sense. But this one is really consistant. I find it a useful tool anyway.

Glad to hear that you've found something that seems to work. Care to share the manufacturer/model info?

[S Bear]

Originally Posted by Desmondo

When I bought my first Body Fat Monitor some years ago, I recorded a series of BF and H2O %'s. I found that I reached minimum BF% and maximum H2O% around 1900 in the evening. My maximum H2O was at 56% and I found from a graphical display, a linear relation between them. Thereafter, I "normalised" each BF% and H2O% to a standard H2O% of 56%. This gave me a way of tracking BF% on a consistent basis.

A more trenchant criticism of the in-built monitor equations is the assumption that BF%'s are age related rather than health related. I understand why many commenters use the Navy Equations for LBM (lean body mass) estimates. I do so myself. In fact, I use the Navy results to choose the "age" that I use in my newer Monitor.

However, these type of analyses raise the issue of how reliable the visceral fat numbers may be.

Yes indeed. The most one can hope for is consistency, not a real baseline.

Your approach with accounting for hydration as a function of time of day is an excellent one. However, I engage in exercise on some days where I come away with water loss varying anywhere from 2 to 7 pounds. I suspect that anyone who engages in really vigorous exercise is going to have problems with bioelectrical impedence measurements.

I track three things to try to figure body weight. 1) the good old Navy equations 2) the tables in Protein Power, 3) a baseline from a hydrostatic weighing adjusted by the trend from the Navy equations.

Navy equations have me at 10.3%. Protein Power tables have me at 9%. If I were at either of those levels, I'd be showing the striations in my muscles like a bodybuilder prepping for a competition.

The Navy equations adjusted for the hydrostatic baseline puts me at 12.8%. If you call that a flat 13%, then we might be in the neighborhood of realistic, though I could believe 14-15% easily enough.

My hydrostatic weighing a month and a half ago put me at a little under 18%. At that time both the Navy formula and Protein Power tables put me at around 15%. So I'm mighty suspicious of all the ways of calculating body fat% other than hydrostatic weighing, Bod Pod, or DEXA and related techniques.

When it gets to the point where BIA is claiming it can distinguish visceral from subcutaneous, and give skeletal muscle too, I really start to have doubts. I'm just pleased the Ernie reports he's found a BIA scale that gives anything like consistent results--even that's a big step forward.

[Ernie]

Originally Posted by S Bear

Glad to hear that you've found something that seems to work. Care to share the manufacturer/model info?

Sure. It's an Omron HBF-516

[maile]

Hi, thought I'd intro myself, been doing 6WC for about 3 weeks now, in the middle of meat week #1 but find from a time perspective doing days with a couple of shakes instead of meat.

have done PPLP before and it worked but was recently diagnosed hypothyroid and gluten intolerant so wanted to use the 6WC to jumpstart myself back into a cleaner eating pattern. I'm liking the program so far and will continue for a few more weeks and then transition back into PPLP, hopefully for good.

[Generous Host]

I've now finished the first six weeks, for a total of 25.2 pounds lost, going from 231.4 to 206.2. I'd wager I have about 30-40 more to lose, so I'm continuing the shake/meat weeks until I get closer to my "goal". I don't have a specific goal weight in mind, as I work a fairly physical job. Looking in the mirror, I can see a lot of muscle which was hidden under the fat, so I suspect height/weight charts will be incorrect for me. I think (If i recall correctly) they say I should weigh around 145. I think I'd have to lose muscle to hit that number. My guess is 160-170, but as I said, I'm just going by how I look instead of a number. Though, the scale is helpful to track progress.

I averaged about five pounds a week, but didn't lose much during week 5, as I got sick, and that stalled out my weight loss. I managed to not gain any, though. I suspect that Nyquil/Dayquil have a lot of sugar in them.

[bpm]

[QUOTE][have done PPLP before and it worked but was recently diagnosed hypothyroid and gluten intolerant so wanted to use the 6WC to jumpstart myself back into a cleaner eating pattern. /QUOTE]

Welcome Maile
I suspect gluten intolerance as well. I have been on this program for 8 weeks and all intestinal problems are totally gone. I have had 2 slices of rye bread in 2 weeks which did not effect me adversely but am reluctant to use more. Q- can you tolerate very small amounts of gluten (1/2 slices of "lo carb" bread per week) or must you be abstinate.
Anyone else please advise on the gluten subject

Thanks,
Monty